rewatching this I realize there's something heavily flawed with this episode.

For one, Conan reveals himself and Haibara as kids to Pisco. Well, Pisco finds out about Haibara and Conan reveals himself. He then just proceeds to flee?

What happens if Pisco survives and tells the Black Org? How could he be confident that Gin would kill Pisco before Pisco spilled the beans?

Lets say the police caught him. There'd be ways for Pisco to contact the black org from there and once again, same conclusion.

Him leaving with Haibara makes sense. And it wouldn't be him to kill Pisco to silence him. But what was the logic behind leaving Pisco in that room alone to either let him escape or be arrested and spill the beans anyways?

Shinichi Kudou is dead to the BO according to everything Haibara knew. remember, she was part of BOTH search parties that the BO sent to his family's home. she said they found zero evidence he or ANYBODY had been in his house for nigh on a year. Haibara was the ONLY one who noticed during the 2nd search that somebody had removed Shinichi's 'younger body' clothing from the home after the 1st search. the only reason Haibara thought the 'younger kid clothes' being missing was important because ONE of hundreds of mice she gave the drug to regressed to childhood. so less than ONE PERCENT of the lab animals went chibi. also, she did the best she could to alter/destroy any data on Shinichi Kudo in the BO database before she went 'rogue' and tried to escape.

so Pisco had no idea whom he was looking at when Conan revealed himself. if he knew, don't you think he would have reacted? like... "K! kkkk Kudo!?"

Conan had no time to do anything else other than grab Haibara and escape that room. he didn't even have time to grab that data disk out of the coveralls she was wearing. as Conan said, that's Spiritus... (an actual brand-name of booze if you didn't know) and it is one of the highest alcohol content liquors you can find outside of a moonshiner's distillery. Bisco shot a whole CRATE of bottles... that's a huge puddle of ethyl alcohol... PLUS all the other booze in that room? the cardboard/wooden crates. the shelves. the wood floors. the walls and ceiling. the fireplace and the chimney right in the room would have provided some fresh air to keep the fires stoked... Pisco's cigarette was basically the match lighting his own personal cremation OVEN. Conan distracted Pisco with his bowtie voice changer sticky-back speaker and 'detective reveal no jutsu' while Conan got Haibara outta the fireplace. sure. Conan COULD have grabbed that data-disk. but he was a little distracted by his 'jutsu' and hauling Haibara outta there quietly. then he does the 'i am in the doorway, i know your compatriots are on the roof, i know you are a killer, the police are here still you know!' reveal... aannnd WHOMPF! the Spritus goes off annnnd let the weenie roast begin!

Woah bro calm down for a second. for starters, I’m well aware of basically all the Conan lore there is. The plot hole I pointed out you really completely overlooked. It’s quite obvious that Shinichi is believed dead, that fact is true.

However, Haibara is not dead to the org. Furthermore, the org had suspicions about the possibility of people who were drugged being alive.

Allow me to explain my reasoning. 1st: Pisco knows Haibara turned into a kid.

2nd: While the org presumes that Shinichi is dead, there was doubts. Throughout the story, it’s evident whenever there is doubt the org investigated and does it’s best to make sure what they believe is the truth. This is evident in the death of Akai. Even with multiple org members believing and vouching that he is dead, people like Bourbon still investigate. Any hint of being a rat in the org is also investigated. Whatever the case, there WAS suspicion. In the end, however, they did rule that Shinichi is dead, and Sherry signed off on it despite knowing that he turned into a kid. Given that Sherry then was supposed to be disposed of, there can be an argument made that whatever decisions or things she signed off on could be called into question. But that’s just rambling, you can ignore that.

3rd point: Pisco, now knowing Haibara is Alive and that somehow was able to transform into a child, sees another child with her. A child which somehow was able to completely outsmart him and possibly even gin/vodka. To Pisco, this might be quite the surprise. We’ll move on.

4th point: the whole lighting fire in a room full of spirit’s argument is completely invalid. This is because Pisco doesn’t die to the fire at all, he dies to Gin’s gun. Because of this, we know it was possible to get in and out of the room no problem. Gin could get in and out with the room already burning.

This bring me to my actual point: If Gin did not kill Pisco, Shinichi would probably have been screwed. Why do I say this? It’s simple logic.
A: Pisco lives. He tells the org about how Sherry was a little girl, and not her adult form. Considering she was seen in her adult form, this means the org now knows somehow she can transform from a kid to an adult.
B: The org also knows that Sherry has partner. The partner is not necessarily taking on the form of an adult male. This is because while Gin heard an adult male, Pisco saw a little boy. Same logic applies and they can infer there is an accomplice who is also able to turn from an adult to a kid. The other problem being that Conan used different voices, which can then be scrutinized into he probably has a way of manipulating his voice.
C: Given Pisco saw Conan’s face, it’s likely the org can search around and figure out who he is. The org would also start researching possibilities of how they’re able to change form. Even if they can’t relate it the the drug, they’ll know what Conan looks like and it’s really only a matter of time before they find him. Especially also if they know Haibara is a kid, and not an Adult form.

Overall, there was FAR too much risk leaving things up to Gin executing Pisco. That being said, I will absolutely concede this cannot really be considered a plot hole given the Black Org’s way of doing things. Pisco was screwed because he was photographed, and therefore it was a guarantee that Gin was going to kill him.

Unfortunately, I’m on mobile right now and it’s VERY late for me so I might’ve messed up a lot of typing but secondly, I don’t remember if Conan actually knew Pisco was Photographed before he exited the room. If he knew before, there is no room for argument and him running was no risk because Gin was going to kill Pisco. On the other hand, if he didn’t know then there was actual risk because during that time Pisco would presumably be able to escape.

One last thing to note, it’s not like Conan had much of a choice in the scenario anyways. He HAD to run with Haibara then. If he didn’t, they’d both be guaranteed dead to Pisco and if not him, then Gin and Vodka. In this sense, the scene isn’t flawed. It was a risk Conan had to take, his hand was forced. Aside from straight up killing Pisco himself, he had no choice but to run.

Well, hopefully that makes sense. Most of what you said I already know very well. I think I’ve watched this episode 3 times or something before, but it was maybe half a year (I think actually more) ago. My comment was 7months ago so you get the idea, I forget some minor details but I do remember majority of the stuff.

Once again, do try to calm down. There’s no need to get angry for starters, there’s only a couple people on Gogo who are still actively watching Conan up to the latest episodes. Let’s try to get along. Another thing to note is it’s not like stories don’t have plot holes, they do. Someone pointing one out isn’t something to get mad over, it’s a story after all.

Lastly, do try to understand what someone wrote before replying. You’re reply had really little to do with my actual point, and it basically just re-summarized the episode and previous facts. Another thing to note that I just noticed was some of the stuff I said literally was exactly the same I said more than half a year ago, so I guess I’m pretty consistent. Didn’t even reread my original comment until after I wrote this whole thing cause at the least I do remember writing the comment off the top of my head.

Happy Conan watching.

mhmhmhm! excellent points all around! thanks for the input! :D

i did think the fire was an interesting plot twist. from Conan's immediate perspective was my viewpoint right there talking about the fire. he didn't know Gin was up and about yet. he thought he was down for the count from the needle. now, Conan getting out with Haibara, 100% agree. that's his priority 1. the MO disk would be priority 2. he couldn't risk 1 to try for 2... but we all know Shin... he's gotta stop and crow about his 'win' somehow. guys' got a huge ego shoved into his teenaged body, and now it's stuffed into an even smaller package. :D so when Shin's got a chance to show off he'll even risk Ran or Kogoro figuring out he's 'smarter than the average bear' so to speak. showing himself to Pisco was totally stupid and egocentric.

lucky for Conan, Gin showed up and pitched cleanup. :D

for Pisco showing up in that online late edition of the newspaper... to me that's an iffy idea... i personally thought Conan and the Prof set that one up using Photoshop and the Professor's mini-computer in the Gold Beetle... then if Conan needed a trump to play during a negotiation with Pisco... Conan would throw that card down and see if he could pick up Pisco, the laptop, and as much of the BO as he could get in one move. but, it could have been a real photographer who didn't realize what he had on film till well AFTER that funeral party broke up.

but as the old saying goes, :D the discussion is moot. Pisco got some interior of his head redecoration... Sherry/Haibara is definitely still on the BO's radar... Shin/Conan is still a corpse to the BO...

i guess it was a 0 for the white team and a 1 for the black team. they won this match. the lawyer's dead, Pisco the loose end is dead, and even if Sherry/Haibara wasn't caught... she's still alive somewheres for them to track down.

He thought that gin is in sleep so he was going to get arrest and fire was erupted from 9th floor so police will come and check the storage room and arrest pisco.

Vodka wasn’t asleep though, unless Conan didn’t realize Vodka was there.

Which would still be an error because that’s leaves a chance for pisco to either be saved by the black org and tell them, or be punished and still tell the Black org via different methods. Well, I love DC don’t get me wrong but I can’t help but notice some flaws in plot when I rewatch

You have point. But one more theory flashed through my mind as I was thinking about the error, I don't think pisco would tell org about them if he was arrested. He would have use it to survive from BO as he was the executive of BO from a long time and know about their methods of destroying their traces.

Honestly I doubt it. Chances are the BO would just silence him at first sight (like Gin did). However, I still think this is going too deep into a future I doubt Conan would see (but who knows). There’s a likely chance pisco could’ve survived the fire and evaded the police. Chances are Conan knows the BO would silence pisco, and chances are he knew that pisco at some point would be silenced. I just think it’s too big of a risk that pisco could possibly leak the intel.

Chances are, Pisco can’t reveal anything. But just saying those are chances, and taking a chance could mean the end. Obviously it didn’t tho, cause Gin is egotistical and is very fond of Sherry so ofc he’d just kill off pisco like that. Very Gin of him.

I think conan doesn't know about BO's wrath at that time

Not entirely sure. I know he has his own experience with Gin and he experienced the billion yen heist up to the pisco point I don’t remember if any other BO cases happened before. Whatever the case I think there’s a bit of room to say leaving pisco was smart and risky anyways. Still, leaving him there is the most Conan thing to do, because he’d never want to kill anyone and certainly wasn’t looking to kill pisco I think. If anything I’d imagine he was trying to get rid of the laptop and hoping Gin would execute pisco for being caught in a newspaper

Haibara explained it to Conan with Prof Agase's help. EVERY lab Haibara worked at, or her information was used in went up in smoke the day AFTER she escaped BO's custody by going chibi using the drug. SEVEN labs in Japan if i recall correctly.

also, you are exactly correct. Haibara's big sister was the final member of the billion yen heist crew that Gin and Vodka had to kill. they were: the security guard who was their man inside the armored car, the driver of the getaway car, and Haibara's sister who worked as a teller inside the bank. they framed Haibara's big sister as the killer of the other two and made her murder look like a fourth 'unknown' crew member shot and killed her getting away with the money (somehow). even though we as the audience knew the crew only had 3 people and the money was actually hidden in a 2nd coin locker NOT the one that Gin found the key on her body. Haibara's older sister was able to survive her gunshot wounds just long enough for a tardy Conan to confess his real name to her and hear her last words and get the 2nd coin locker key.

I see you responded down here as well. Well, once again I’d have to repeat something similar to my previous reply. If you haven’t read that, do so now. Otherwise, some of this might not make sense out of context.

1: the labs have little to do with what the topic was about. The reply to my comment was on the fact the Conan might not have known the Black Organization’s way of business, which is to simply kill people to tie up loose ends. They’re absolutely ruthless in that regard, and eliminate as many risks as possible.
2: the point of me bringing up the heist was to point out that Conan had some experience with the black org’s way of conducting things, given he experienced Akemi Miyano’s death. (With all the wiki work, I’m sure you know that Haibara’s older sister)
As such, your comment makes little sense in the context of the discussion. In your profile you do state that you don’t take kindly to disrespectful comments or trollish comments, but to be fair you came into this conversation half a year late and completely disregarded its context and essentially wrote a bunch of, what appears to be, angry text stating a bunch to facts on Conan lore.

I would urge you to please read and actually understand the discussion before you start pulling up the wiki and stating a bunch of facts that have literally nothing to do with what was being said ok? I don’t mind usage of the for facts, in fact I double check stuff on the wiki from time to time. But there’s a time and place for it, and this discussion wasn’t it.

sure, considering i was right the whole time. i read the whole discussion and placed my comments in the context in which you guys were talking about what happened. Conan was aware in a certain fashion what the BO did after holding Haibara's sister in his arms. she explained it somewhat before passing. then Haibara explained it herself not long after meeting Conan in the Prof's house. those labs were directly burned down due to her actions escaping and the BO covering their tracks, so to speak. yup yyup i already knew that when i talked about it.

i'm presently in a... yeah this is the first ever in my life i've watched Conan. so i'm doing constant binge watches of dozens of episodes at a sitting starting with the Funimation dubs. i finished those 130 and i'm already up to episode 185 in subs.

i'm bored, i can't afford or stand cable TV... and for awhile now this Spring anime season has been hit and miss for my viewing pleasure. there's good stuff out there, ok stuff out there, and Conan's filling the gaps.

alot of Conan is running together in my brain, so i get into this and that now and again to refresh myself with various sources when i find an interesting Disqus here on gogo. the KA dub Disqus for Conan is entirely dead, and a huge stinking crap pop-up problem is irritating me to heck and beback on KA's entire video collection. so i haven't even read KA's Disqus for Conan's subs.

i definitely know for a fact i didn't go confrontational or whatnot. if it came across that way, sorry your interpretation was 100% off base. i'm not here starting beefs, thanks for reading my Disqus profile by the way. :D i've been around it in the anime sites for Disqus for nigh on a decade now so i appreciate you looking me up.

if my writing style and mental tone of voice irk you, sorry not sorry. :D i think fast and write fast and i don't always triple edit everything. most times i do though, so don't think i'm just spouting off the top of my head. i usually re-re-reread everything i write before hitting send.

thanks for coming back and taking the time with something a few months old for you. :) it's all new to me though.

Fair enough I can see what you mean

well pisco fucked up so he was gonna get killed , and if not he wouldv'e probably hid the info about the kids to use it as leverage because if he had ntg he would be killed and ofc anime logic

Well I’d disagree because right before he was gonna be killed he was gonna tell Gin. Gin just interrupted him and said he screwed up.

But I think it’s just a simple and honestly unimpactful plot hole.

They keep on reusing that one soundtrack in this 3 parter. Like, yeah it's good and ominous and fits the episode but it's getting a bit repetitive at this point

THEY KEEP ON SHOOTING HAIBARA IS SHE GONNA BE OKAY!??!;!!!?

As another comment on this episode says, Conan reveals himself to Pisco and then just leaves, giving Pisco full reign to just go and tell his black org buddies about them shrinking?? (Like he was about to tell Gin about it before he got killed)

20:02 lmao Gin's license plate number is 4869

VERMOUTH VERMOUTH VERMOUTH !!!!!
(also the subtitle's wrong, it's not Belmot)

What a great and wild ride of a 3 parter this was. The SUSPENSE man... It was definitely a good reintroduction of the black organization after so long and just very fun to watch. And I got myself some CoAi crumbs so I'm greatly satisfied with these episodes
(Sigh.. now time to sit through 9 whole filler episodes until I get to more canon stuff..)

Also another movie from 2000

Love this episode. Hi bestie Vermouth. We love evil women

wow. they really are all gone now huh? Guess Ill make the first comment then.

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that when Gin speaks of Sherry, her figure that pops up behind him is naked?
Very ara ara. Not that we're ever getting confirmation on struggle snuggle in a shounen series though

Nothing is known about their relationship but according to the wiki there's some interesting thing about it.

Well, this episode and one other are the only times you see some sort of sexualization of Sherry (Haibara) from Gin. However, Haibara holds nothing but hatred and fear for Gin.

It's plausible they had some sort of relationship in the past, but what looks more likely is that Gin has a very strange attraction to her and the feeling is one sided. I say strange because he is almost stalker-esque in his actions.

Also another random fact I found out about Sherry when searching it up (because I was pretty sure I remembered how Gin and sherry's relationship was but wanted to confirm) Big spoiler btwis that apparently Haibara always knew that Karasuma was the head of the black org??? If this is true from the wiki doesn't that mean she just never told Conan and he had to deduce it himself???

Whatever the case, lives quite the sour idea in your head and Gin and Haibara might've had something going on. I'm on the belief that it wasn't up to Haibara (meaning, she had no choice) but who knows. Whatever the case, she likes Conan (Shinichi) now so that's much better.

Haibara is so pretty

Yeah I know

I don't know if it sounds like this to anyone else but whenever I hear Gin's voice it just sounds kinda muffled, like there is something in his mouth. It's probably just how the VA's voice is or maybe he's too close to the mic, idk.

good episode, good pair of eps. mhm. i enjoyed em!

filler

What a great episodes filled with info, it feels worth going thru all those fillers to watch these 😭

Man hibari got her body back just once

Belmont or vermouth

I think it’s vermouth

WA LOTS OF COMMNENTD

Haibara almost went super sayian lmao
But yeah its interesting to see how the org. is organized and learning that its possible to join their ranks as an outsider

Haibara voice is so calm and beautiful :0

OMG this episode is epic as heck!

Wow, just wow….